[讨论]五金模设计概要、心得（帮助初学者）

星雨

<p class="MsoBodyTextIndent" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 17.95pt;"><strong><font face="华文彩云" color="#ff0000" size="5">如果给一个零件图或产品实物，应该如何着手去设计模具呢？</font></strong></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">原则上是应该完全按照国标程序来设计模具的，但许多公司都不会去那样做，因为许多公司都还不知道什么是完全的、符合国标的设计或则者认为成本大</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">大多数公司只知道你能出全套图纸或主要图纸并给模房做出模具和合格产品来就行</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">那么我们应该怎么办呢？</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><p></p></span></p>

星雨

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">这么办最好：（入乡随俗）</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 60pt; TEXT-INDENT: -36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 60.0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">■<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">假如你进入一家公司的工程部担任冷冲模设计师，首先一条就是向工程部主管咨询一下<span style="COLOR: red;">公司设计冷冲模的程序要求</span><span style="COLOR: black;">并要一张</span><span style="COLOR: red;">本公司画图纸的图框格式样本或正在使用的图纸</span><span style="COLOR: black;">（以后设计画图时千万别自作主张用自己的图框格式，因为多年来公司上上下下都已习惯，改变它只会给自己带来不必要的麻烦）就可以了</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black;"><font face="Times New Roman">.<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 60pt; TEXT-INDENT: -36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 60.0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;">■<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">如果老板或工</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">程部主管特别交代你按正规国标程序来设计模具，就是要改变原来不正规的程序来设计模具，你就可以放胆去完全按照国标程序来设计模具了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.<span style="COLOR: black;"><p></p></span></font></span></p>

星雨

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 24pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">下面我就国标程序来设计模具和<span style="COLOR: black;">公司习惯</span>来设计模具介绍一下；</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 60pt; TEXT-INDENT: -36pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 60.0pt;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; mso-bidi-font-family: 宋体;"><span style="mso-list: Ignore;"><font face="Times New Roman">（一）<span style="FONT: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">
$ P1 n! l& ~/ A. C; H                                                </span></font></span></span></b><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">国标程序来设计模具：</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue;"><p></p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 24pt; TEXT-INDENT: -24pt; mso-char-indent-count: -2.0;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">A</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">：转换图纸；如果给一个零件图（如果给你的是一个产品你就把它测绘出来变成你公司使用的我们国家的标准零件图纸），如果是其他单位拿来或传来的图纸（包括香港，美国，台湾，日本），也要转换成你公司使用的国家标准图纸</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">这就是工厂通常所说的<b><span style="COLOR: blue;">转换图纸</span></b>或<b><span style="COLOR: blue;">图纸转换</span></b>工序</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">. <p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 24pt; TEXT-INDENT: -24pt; mso-char-indent-count: -2.0;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">B</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">：把零件图用三维软件画出然后转换成工程图</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">(</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">带有展开图的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">)</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">再另存为</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">CAD</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">dwg</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">格式再画出来作为自己参考图调用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">. <p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 24pt; TEXT-INDENT: -24pt; mso-char-indent-count: -2.0;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">C</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">：再根据展开图把排洋图画出来或单工序图画出来</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">再根据展开料图设计出每个步骤之产品零件图</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">(</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">这就叫工艺图</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">). <p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 24pt; TEXT-INDENT: -24pt; mso-char-indent-count: -2.0;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">D: </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">把</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">CAD</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">排洋图调入三维软件画出排洋图实体</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">, </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">然后转换成工程图再另存为</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">CAD</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">dwg</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">格式再画出来作为自己参考图调用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.<p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">E</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">：根据以上参考图</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">/</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">工艺图再设计出每个零件工艺图的模具图来</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">. <p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 24pt; TEXT-INDENT: -24pt; mso-char-indent-count: -2.0;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">F</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">：再根据模具图再设计出每个模具零件的模具零件图来</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.(</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">把工艺图和全套模具图及</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">ISO9000</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">文件交办文控中心受控就可以了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">) <p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">以上几个方面就是如何去着手设计模具之主要内容</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">用文字是不可能完全说明的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">一定要有丰富的实践经验，灵活应用</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.<p></p></font></span></p>

星雨

<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: 华文彩云; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">模具设计到底要学会使用什么软件呢？</span></b><b><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: red; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 华文彩云;"><p></p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">A. AutoCAD</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">一定是要会的（二维制工程图）</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">现在</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">2002</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">和</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">2004</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">特</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">
                                <p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">好用，加上</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">CAD</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">工程师</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">2003for2000</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">就更棒！</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">
7 M0 w7 `% v. ~                                <p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">B. </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">三维制图一定要会一种就可以了</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">, </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">它可以很方便的转换成</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">
, c9 {4 Y) t* k8 [8 _" e* `5 ^                                <p></p></font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 24pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0;"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">工程图和查出重量体积等数据</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">. PRO/E2001</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">，</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman"> SOLIDWORKS2001</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">，</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">UG</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">，中国自己开发的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">CAXA</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">等等</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">哪一种对你好学</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">
                        </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">你就学哪一种</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">有些带曲面的零件工程图是难以表达的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">,</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">必须三维制图存盘交加工中心才可以的</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">.</font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">（随时带好属于自己的常用光碟，到哪都会立于不败之地）</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman">. </font></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">什么都学不如学精一种！</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><p></p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt;"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></span><p></p></span></p>

星雨

以上为转帖。

LDXCC

是的!我们也是这样在做的!!!

郑桂锐

顶一下，说得好

大同数码

说的好顶你

zzg1203

大开脑啊!谢了!

lyt693

好帖