【20080627065】盆栽古树

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<><FONT size=2>作&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;者：<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face=Helvetica><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">吴明桥</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
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! I2 M2 v! a  Q/ r( ], d( Q<><FONT size=2>作品编号：20080627065</FONT></P>
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<><FONT size=2>作品名称：盆栽古树</FONT></P>
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<><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT face=Helvetica>
< class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 18pt"><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">这个作品的设计思路来自生活中的盆栽！</SPAN></FONT></P>
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1 R6 r0 M+ ?# C7 m9 U/ V<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 13.5pt; mso-char-indent-count: 1.5"><FONT size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">&nbsp;主要特色就是能把叶子装配到上面摆出独特的形状！</SPAN></FONT></P>
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maxdebaba

不错，貌似很难画...

w634915362

　　　就是感受一下ug的随意性！见笑！都是自己的一些想法！谢谢支持！

EAST

　　　　楼主果然不一样啊！人家画西洋货！还是你牛啊！支持国产的！
6 C, X4 H+ ^6 m6 O( s+ s　　　看这个技术也确实牛啊！最下面那个叶子的装配怎么有一点想云的感觉！呵呵不知道楼主是不是这么想的啊！
以前还真的没见过有人画这一类东西的啊！唉！真的是很有创意啊！坡有点迎客松的风范啊！能把艺术三维化的啊！
佩服佩服～！～～～～～～
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wangshang

不知道我的号码怎么不能投你一票啊！是不是等级过度低啊！不过我还是要顶你！！！支持中国的艺术向三维发展！！！！！
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stephen zhang

想法不错。

jacky520

EAST

　　这个作品应该是本次比赛里面一个很有创新的作品！
　　不知道为什么我们的观看人员总是这样路过啊！应该谈谈你们的观点！我觉得这样的话，我们的ug水平才能更好的进步！如果没个人都是这样的话，我觉得很失望！至少是我们应该把自己放到主动上！
/ c/ E0 P' F/ X　　可以说来参加比赛的作品都很不错！那么；如果某个参赛作品让你画的话！你会怎么画，难度怎么样等等！想了这些那么你的ug　就是真的成功了一半！！
' e# H" X5 d0 G* C5 V9 \　　　　　　　　我这次路过！是说了一下自己的感受，真的希望ug能更好的为我们＂服务＂发展更好！让我们以后可以不用学那么多的软件！～！～～～～～～～～～

EAST

　　这个作品应该是本次比赛里面一个很有创新的作品！
; R* N3 j) j, v　　不知道为什么我们的观看人员总是这样路过啊！应该谈谈你们的观点！我觉得这样的话，我们的ug水平才能更好的进步！如果没个人都是这样的话，我觉得很失望！至少是我们应该把自己放到主动上！
; G4 n1 P! _& j　　可以说来参加比赛的作品都很不错！那么；如果某个参赛作品让你画的话！你会怎么画，难度怎么样等等！想了这些那么你的ug　就是真的成功了一半！！
0 _$ C. R& `# @( E+ v0 j　　　　　　　　我这次路过！是说了一下自己的感受，真的希望ug能更好的为我们＂服务＂发展更好！让我们以后可以不用学那么多的软件！～！～～～～～～～～～

w634915362

　　我真的很赞同＂east＂的观点！现在真的是五花八门的软件，真的希望能少学几个！至少把ug学好了就能有用！
0 _6 l* B  k, o8 \6 Z支持！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！
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